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were not so impressed. >> it was not a well thought out approach in the senate. it's for the reason that the senate bill has ever little chance of being considered here. >> very important that republicans make this statement that unless there is border security first, there will be no bill. >> trusting barack obama is like trusting my daughter with bill, we just don't trust him. >> the house gop is now likely to advance individual elements of reform as separate bills. meal piece approach to stretch the process into the fall. speaking earlier in the day on wednesday, though, george w. bush broke his five-year silence to put his thumb on the scale for reform. >> i don't tend to get involved in the politics or the specifics of policy. but i do hope there is a positive resolution to the debate. and i hope during the debate
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that we keep a benevolent spirit in mind. and that we understand the contributions immigrants make to our country. >> president obama is also ramping up the political pressure on the house republicans, making the economic case for reform and enlisting business, evangelical leaders to lobby for it. >> if democrats and republicans, including president bush and i can agree on something, that's a pretty good place to start. now the house needs to act, so i can sign common sense immigration reform into law. >> right now i want to bring in blake, michelle bernard, attorney, political analyst and president for bernard center, anna marie cox and alberto nationwide association of ethnic media organizations and an online latino advocacy group.
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so, i guess this is the week. i don't think i have heard as much pessimism in one week towards immigration reform as i heard in one week. maybe i'm too naive with this stuff, but i don't think it's quite over yet because it's hard to read house republicans literally these days. if you read these things literally, no chance of us getting through. i look at it and say more posturing than ever to get anything through the house these days. maybe there is still some room here. >> i was talking to a member of the tea party who told me that they're steadfast in their belief that this immigration bill is just not going to happen. they don't want it to happen. they say if they vote for it, their constituents aren't going it re-elect them anyway. they don't have anything to lose. a few weeks ago i felt this was going to happen. but it looks like republicans don't care and they have made, at least in the house, they have made a decision and concentrating on the hispanic
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vote is just not really important to them. they're more interested in white, working class voters and they think that is the best way to move the country forward. >> we had this conversation on the show. last week interesting how that calculation that michelle is talking about. sort of the idea of let's have a surge with white voters and a surge with white voters and we don't need to worry about any other groups. >> i agree with you some narrow way this might happen and it's mainly the house republicans are the drama queens of the hill. they like to please and ramp up the drama because it gets them contributions. you know, if they take this bold stand, but also relates something you talked about before. the power of the off-year electorate the ones who elect the people in the house and radical on the right and hardly progressive and i shouldn't say that. hardly moderates that turn out to vote in off-year elections. these conservative grassroots
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are who put the republicans in place and that's who they're playing to. >> it's interesting as soon as george bush enters the fray after five years, immigration reform is on the way to being dead or absolutely dead. i just came back from tucson. if you want to find hope in immigration reform, get out of the political desert of washington and go to the real desert where the stakes are high. people pay attention to these rhetorical terms like tradeoff or this isn't a perfect bill when, you know, you have people literally dying. one person per day dying in the desert. families like the one i was with where the day i was interviewing them, hours later one member gets picked up by i.c.e. one of the 1.7 million people about to be deported. went under the truck. he went under the truck to stop the deportation. this is the kind of will to fight and to have hope that's out there in the desert.
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>> its you make it clear, you don't speak, but affiliated and he took a stand against the immigration reform bill because basically they felt it was loaded down too much or watered down too much. when that extra $30 billion and we use the term surge, again. he came out and said we can no longer support it. do you share that feeling? do you think this bill right now is not salvageable from supporting immigration reform. >> i don't speak for him, but i know that groups are basically drawing a line in the sand literally. there are, you know, there are 1.7 million people being deported and we're going to be on our way to 2 million. people dying in the desert every single day and groups are assessing that they can no longer accept 20,000 more border patrol agents at the border, drones. we were hearing in the news
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reasons they might be weaponized drones. and 700 miles more -- how much more water t war to pass north creaa? an international day of action against border militarization. when you start hearing these terms tradeoff and this isn't a perfect bill, it hardly captures the scope of the complexity of different interests and desires for immigration reform. so, groups are going to fight until the end to get something that is just, that is focused on what people voted for and marched for which is citizenship for 11 million people and even that dream is fading because the cbo report just came out that said fewer than 3.5 million of those people are never going to get legalized and other estimates estimate only 6 million people will get legalized. >> this is why i don't think the legislation, the senate legislation or something similar to it is quite dead yet. one thing for house republicans
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this week to send out all the signals of we're going to oppose this and we don't want this. resistance among house republicans. conservative house republicans and just the idea of passing anything. because if you pass anything, it goes to a conference, conference with the senate version. if you ever get to this conference, we're going to sacrifice our principle and they will vote against literally anything. if democrats say this is water down too much and we're not voting for a house republican bill and the house can't get anything to a conference, maybe that turns the game around in a few months and the pressure comes back on the house to act on the senate. that's sort of what i'm -- i don't know if that's too round about. >> certainly interesting form, but what roberto is saying raises an interesting point. the way we define positive outcomes is really important. you talk about the gap between arizona and the desert of washington. in the desert of washington, just having a bill is a positive outcome and that means we got something done. based on what michelle was
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saying with respect to how tea party members are looking at this. if you have a bill that is really bad and does not provide a chance for citizenship for people and makes border security, this something like $50 million in it for strengthening the wall or having more people at the border or surveillance cameras and you get to a certain point, not much of a an achievement. >> but how central, so, the line that democrats are drawing right now has not been so much on border security, it's been on what a specific path to citizenship and that does exist in the senate bill right now and javier who is part of the gang of seven in the house, he said yesterday, he said he guarantees the gang of seven in the house bipartisan will have a bill that is path to citizenship. that is somewhat alive. >> i want to clarify one thing in terms of the corcoran amendment which the democrats do support. that does have layers upon layers of things that are going to kill more people in the desert and going to jail and
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deport and destroy the lives of a whole lot more immigrants that are being destroyed right now. we already have enough. people were willing to go that far to get citizenship. now, that's just, that's the game changer for i think a lot of folks in the latino community if you get outside of people in washington that want to say, we'll take anything as latinos, as long as you give us citizenships. some are saying, there is a line. >> we've said this before on the program, but i think it's important to reiterate. when we talk about immigration reform, not just a hispanic issue and that's a large part of the problem, the messaging coming out of washington. it's important, but, number one, i never heard of a border anywhere in the world that cannot be penetrated. a silly argument that we're hearing from people who are saying border patrol is the most important issue here. but, secondly, there are people from all over the world that are here as undocumented workers in the united states that want to make contributions and people
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from all over the world that want to enter the united states and have a path to citizenships and i would hope members of congress would hear all of their voices rather than focusing on their fear that there will be a, you know, giving a path to citizenship to 11 million undocumented hispanic workers. what they should concentrate on are the millions of hispanics that are eligible to vote in the united states and they choose not to and the democrats are looking at them aand they're saying, come, we have a big tent and we're here for you. >> one in five are not hispanic. that's the stat nat nobody talks about. we saw this week the merger on the debate on health care and interesting how republicans play on that. we'll play it after this. ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker every day. ♪
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a statement from house republicans this week. i'm going to read a statement from house republicans this week. this was the house republican leadership they issued. the american people don't trust a democratically controlled washington and they are alarmed by the president's ongoing assistance enact aing an obama-like bill rather than pursuing a common sense approach to fix the problem. the president demonstrated he is willing to unilaterally delay or ignore portions of laws he himself has signed raising concern that the administration cannot be trusted on its promises to secure the border and enforce laws as part of a single, massive bill like the one passed by the senate. ana maria, sort of like they're giving themselves just total license for obstruction with that. we can't trust them on anything, so we don't have to worry about passing any laws. what they're referring to specifically, to delay by one year of implementation and it
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was amazing this week, we also had this joint editorial that was written by bill kristol and rich lowery in the national standard and they both had an editorial "kill the bill." look, obama delayed by a year and therefore he'll delay everify if we pass immigration reform. >> one thing going on is the normal, you would consider a little bit of bill successes rather than a bill that sort of works together. whether all the pieces work together. that used to be the mark of success. if you can get people to agree on something and make sure all the mechanics work together. you get some successes passed by some people and then the other coalitions passing parts and you have kind of a bill, you know, pieces of law that don't really work together. and also the massive distrust, obviously. and the willingness to do
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nuthing and count that as success. >> this is kind of the normalization of assumed ignorance. the bottom on the assumption of ignorance in the electorate is going to cartoonish and abysmal levels, i think. no more is that clear when you hear canter and boehner and they were defending the american workers against big business. i was like ready to break out my flag and cheer on canter and boehner. they were sounding so progressive and so pro-worker. >> amazing to listen to this. americans have not backed up. march of 2010 when the aca was passed and the affordable care act was passed and signed and more than three years removed from that and americans still on the repeal aspect of it. and international election, which was the centerpiece issue. republicans are still fixing on using it and now it seems like they're taking it a step further and saying, well, we caught
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obama messing with the implementation and that seems like an extraordinary statement. >> we should inject a little fact check. this big, significant part of obama care that he's gutted and he can't be trusted is the paperwork requirement for this mandate for which 96% of people who are probably employed by these large firms or to get health care. not the big part of this bill at all. not by and large the people getting health care. they're pretending that he's just reversing his word. it's important just to say that. >> i was going to say, i thought republicans were against paperwork and against this recording of things and that they were for small businesses and those are the people affected by this. >> silly you. >> i know. i expected consistency, i don't know what i was thinking. >> but it also raises a very important issue of governance. conventional conservative talk show radio talk show hosts that are really running the house
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majority and republican sentiment in terms of how they govern. if you take a look at the piece that you mentioned in the "weekly standard" they said basically, kill the bill and they've made it very clear from their high tower over there at the "weekly standard" that there's no rush to do anything on immigration. not just the fact that they say they don't trust the president for a variety of reasons, but they're saying, you know, if the republicans can take over the senate in a few years, if the republicans can hold on to a house and also if republicans can win the white house then at that point in time, the republican party can take credit for implementing a "sensible bill" on immigration and also have it in terms of their attempts to completely gut the american affordable care act. >> we just get back to the mixed messages that get sent by elections when you have different showing up in mid-term years. if the republicans kill immigration reform, oh, they'll pay a big price for their party,
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defend secession. when all this came to light, jack hunter's employers stuck by him. rand paul said on wednesday, i would fire him immediately. characterized his comments as absolutely stupid but brushed it off as a youthful indiscretion. he was doing wet t-shirt concerts, but can the guy not have a youth in stuff. hunter, by the way, was 35 years old when that 2009 column ran. let's not dwell on the details. this incident actually is the perfect answer to a series of questions that rand paul himself posed just a few month ago when he gave a widely publicized speech at howard university. >> the story of voting rights and citizenships from frederick douglas to the modern era is really, in fact, the history of the american party. how did the party that elected the first u.s. black senator and the party that elected the first
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20 african-american congressmen, how did that become a party that loses 95% of the black vote. how did the republican party? the party of the great emancipator lose the trust in faith of an entire race? from the civil war to the civil rights movement for a century, most black americans voted republican. how did we lose that vote? >> so then paul tried in that same speech to answer his own questions and he did so by pointing to the great depression and fdr's new deal. >> i think what happened during the great depression is that african-americans understand that republicans did champion citizenship and voting rights but became impatient because they wanted economic emancipation. they languish below in every measure of economic success and oppression was harsh for those on the lowest rung of poverty at that time.
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everybody will get something, well republicans offered something that seemed to be less tangible, the promise of equalizing opportunity to free markets. >> but the real answer to the questions rand paul asked about why the republican party has failed to crack even 20% of the african-american vote in every election since 1964. the real answer to those questions that was literally staring him right in the face as he gave that speech because in the crowd that day was jack hunter. jack hunter's attitude towards succession and the civil war all speak to the resentment that has built the modern republican party. everything that rand paul said in that speech about the republican party being the racially progressive party for decades after the civil war is true. that was back when the democratic party was the only real party in the south. built on white southern resentment of the civil war and the reconstruction program that they imposed in the south after the war. but what paul ignored in his speech is how fundamentally the
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civil rights movement of the middle 20th century changed both parties. the short version is this. under pressure from its northern faction, the national democratic party began embracing civil rights. first in the 1948 platform which prompted a conventional walkout and then in 1964 when lbj, a southern democrat who suddenly found himself in the white house broke a southern filibuster and pushed the civil rights bill through congress and into law. in that same year, in 1964, the republicans chose as their nominee barry goldwater. he was a senator who had joined the southern democratic filibuster of civil rights. when it came to race, the two parties basically switched sides. embracing civil rights, democrats opened their door to black voters and gave the boot to segregationists. the gop welcome the resulting backlash among southern whites. this is why the republican party is to this day periodically
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haunted by uncomfortable reminders of its modern roots in the south. in that sense, this week's story a about jack hunter is very much of a piece with, say, ronald reagan's infamous decision to launch his 1980 general election campaign in philadelphia, mississippi, as the seat in the county where during the freedom summer of 1964, three northern civil rights workers were abducted in murder. while the state segregationist leaders all played dumb. reagan's visit 16 years later was testament to how radically the civil rights backlash had reshaped partisan politics in the south. whether it was trent lott's to strom thurmond back in 2002. >> i want to say this about my state. when strom thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. we're proud of him. and for the rest of the country to follow our lead we wouldn't have all these problems over all
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these years, either. >> even rand paul's own comments in 2010 about the public accommodation clause of the 1964 civil rights act. >> would you have voted for the civil rights act of 1964? >> i like the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains and i'm all in favor of that. but, you had to ask me. but i don't like the idea of telling private business owners. i think it's a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant, but at the same time, i do believe in private ownership. >> look, this is not a way of saying that everyone in the republican party is a racist or all southern republicans are nursiing grudges. there have been republicans who have grappled head on with their party's post civil rights act
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[ mortazavi ] everything needs to be picture perfect. i'm reza, culinary manager. and i sea food differently. michelle, i guess i'll start with you. may pea more familiar with the republican world. i'm curious when a story like this comes out, the rand paul thing we were just talking aabout, what does this do to him inside the republican party. this makes him sort of a dangerous candidate these sorts of revelations or do they shrug it off? >> someone who firmly finds himself in the "independent camp" i don't, i honestly don't know. because there is a part of the republican party that feels that rand paul is a hero and this kind of thing, they don't care about. if they don't care about the hispanic vote, they don't care about the african-american vote. i would assume, for example, the john mccain camp those who will continue to say this is awful,
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this makes it very difficult for the republican party, how on earth can we reach out to minorities and people of color when we have rand paul who is so high profile out there basically standing by his guy, despite all the horrible things that he has said, but, you know, that being said, on the other hand, they don't give us any reason to believe that they care. >> the other aspect of this, too. we said in that piece the report that came out this week about rand paul's aide came out in a publication and it's run by this guy that used to be with "weekly standard" to me it speaks to potentially a split -- it's interesting to see "washington free beacon" suddenly going after a major republican senator. >> i think he might represent service split between the young people who are trying to see a future for the gop and the slightly older class of the gop
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and older people who are running it now and establishment gop who have gone this direction that we were talking about earlier. let's just do it now. let's just go ahead and go ahead and kill the immigration bill and go ahead and stand by rand paul and we may have to pay for it later, but we won't have to pay for it now. we'll get re-elected and have someone on the national news saying things we want to hear and you have young people. you deal with the party when it comes your way. >> i have to disagree with everybody here. >> you're going to speak up for rand paul. >> ever see the picture of his aide wearing the mask. who's been wearing masks now in popular culture in the united states. they kind of, i think they forgot to take off the confederate colors of the mask, unfortuna unfortunately. in all serious, this is rand paul want to appeal to
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citizenship and then falls away from it. now this comes out and he explains it as a, what did he call it? >> youthful indiscretion. >> 35 when he wrote it. >> he is 39 now. endorse the session since he was 35. >> again, really, i'll take youthful. also, think about it, rand paul this is the man within the last year spoke at howard university, a historically black college in washington, d.c. and alma mater, by the way, all in an attempt to allegedly reach out to black voters and explain why the republican party is a place where black voters can feel at home. at the same time, he puts his arm around his aide and says that these issues of race -- >> i'm not the aide, full disclosure. >> but says that these issues of race were a youthful indiscretion. it is absolutely wrong. i would hope that we would see more high-profile and republican figures denounce this saying
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this is a problem. >> i am remembering his father, last time around, all these old news letters from the early '90s came out that had horrible racist stuff in them and his dad wouldn't disown them either. >> this speaks to a bigger point, which you're raising. the challenge for rand paul is that he had many positions in common with his father. his father did have a big, intense following but was never seen as a main stream, legitimate candidate for president who was going to win. rand paul is trying to do a different project. he is trying to be part of that movement that his father started but also in a way that broadens the appeal and really reaches out. i think he really wants to be president. rand paul is not going to be president. a very tricky tension and difficult project and i think we're seeing here how that is not going to be quite as easy. >> not easy for a reason. we can give libertarians a history lesson. the intellectual history which ties back into states rights. they can't get rid of that. you can't be libertarian and not
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somehow address the civil war in a way that is going to step on some toes. >> it's not even libertarianism. i don't want to pate with too broad a stroke here, but a lot of republicans who their modern evolution of the two parties, democrats against civil rights and therefore where we the republicans of civil rights. i wish we could agree on the basic s of that story. capitalizing on the backlash. anyway, i want to thank roberto and eliot spitzer is back, but for how long? that's next. farmers presents: 15 seconds of smart.
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spitzer lost his surprise campaign on sunday night and by wednesday we had a new poll, the first of the race. eliot spitzer leading scott stringer, 47% to 33%. some enemies are now hinting they will launch a superpac to stop him and more anti-spitzer cash and muscle could come from powerful unions to stringer. on monday "new york times" editorial board the two charter members of the kardashian party for whom notoriety is looking like the quick, easy path to redemption. like to bring in host of the television show on new york 1. so, my reaction when i saw that poll on tuesday, 42 to 33% for spitsering. you are talking about former governor, national name running against somebody who is very low profile and he starts out eight points under 50 million and nine points overall.
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i don't know that he's in a great place here. >> oh, i would have to disagree i'm not sure scott stringer would agree with you, to tell you the truth. getting near 50. this is day one, literally day one. hasn't spent a dime on advertising and hasn't made a speech and sent out a piece of mail and hasn't done anything and he's leading by nine points and closing in on an absolute majority and we have 60 days left until the primary, he has 60 days to improve on that. and in unlimited fortune. so, he's sitting pretty as far as getting a campaign going. >> i get it from the standpoint, right, he could spend unlimited money. but it does strike me, the forces against him. we talk about all the wall street enemies he made and also the issue of the unions and very public in democratic primary if you have all the noise and primary coming, wall street money, and union muscle against him, does that keep him from getting to the 50% mark? >> the unions are very important
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in new york city for getting out the vote and canvassing, one thing, i tend to agree that spitzer is the frontrunner, that's not a very bold thing to say. but the one number that kind of a secondary number in that poll that stood out to me on the specific question of the scandal, 20% said, yeah, it is a big deal for me. 30% said i don't care at all about the scandal. if you're going to take the scandal off the table on this race, eliot spitzer is kind of qualified. so, if that is not a big issue in this race, i think spitzer's in good shape. >> eliot spitzer, as all controllers did went to l.a. to do this night show. this is from last night. >> i said to myself, i want it contribute through public service and the control, you know, it's not a position, people say you're taking a demotion. why are you going from governor to controller if nobody knows what it is. service is what i care about. >> it is a heck of a demotion, michelle. >> i was thinking, client number
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nine says that service is what he cares about, which we all know. but interesting, no one seems to care. the poll that we're talking about the nbc/news 4 marest poll also show a majority of women support eliot spitzer in this race. he has made the term comptroller one of the most popular terms in american history, nobody would have thought or cared about a comptroller race until eliot spitzer. people outside of new york wondering what is going on in new york. we have anthony weiner running for mayor, again, has a lot of support from women and maybe we are getting to a point in our nation's politics where men behaving badly just doesn't matter any more. >> have you made -- it seems to me the media attention he received this week. it seemed to me, a lot more critical than what anthony weiner faced when he got in. did you pick up on the
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correction there in the way the media is treating him. >> a point i made earlier, you know people by their enemies. it is not going to hurt him, exactly. i always thiso think this is an of the media and high-level politicians living in any place but the moment. voters are much more likely to live in the moment and see this as eliot spitzer running for comptroller. he's not running for governor or higher office, i think they're willing to forgive things like the scandal that he had at this level. you know what, you want an attack dog, you know, at comptroller position to the extent that anybody knows what comptroller is. 30% stringer and 90% don't even know what a comptroller is. >> i think new yorkers are also going to remember, the economy, we're still recovering. eliot spitzer is the man who almost brought down aig long before aig almost brought down the world. you know, in the economic, in
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the economic -- >> what kind of, if he gets elected, what would he do? what would it be like? >> it's a fascinating job. he can do the required parts of the job, which is to monitor what goes on in government and make the sure the pension funds invested wisely and he can do other things. take another step and as the representative of the shareholders, the pension funds and retired new yorkers and new york employees and so forth go to the corporations and say, i don't like some of your practices. i think your accounting is shady. i think what you're doing is fraudulent and this is what he did in eight years as attorney general and got hundreds of millions of dollars in new york state and for ordinary investors. he changed a lot of practices on wall street. that is his main selling point. it tracks with the job and matches up and as ana marie says, when you hear people like hank greenburg who is suing him for defamation. when you see wall streeters aghast that he would even
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question their moral purity and investment savvy for ordinary new yorkers, some of whom lost a lot of money when aig and the other firms crashed the economy, that's fine. they like, they like spitzespit. they think somebody should look over their shoulder. they know he will do it and he won't wilt under pressure. he doesn't care what the boards and the press say about him, to a certain extent. what is the worst you can call him? he has been called all of that. so, he's making a case that if wall street is going to be watched, i'm the guy to do it. watch it for people who have money in the new york retirement funds. that's a plausible case to make. >> a lot more interesting if he gets in there. not just the story of the redemption. but the personality he bring into the powers is much more interesting if eliot spitzer got in there. maybe i'm walking back my prediction and he's in trouble a little bit here. he'll probably win. that's the other question, supporters are mobilizing to
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senate judiciary committee will hold a hearing to consider a response to last month's supreme court decision which struck down a key part of the voting rights act. include john lewis of georgia, the long-time civil rights activist and jim sensenbrenner of wisconsin. the senate committee's chairman said in a statement this week "the voting rights act has been a central pillar of the civil rights laws that have helped bring america's ideals closer to all americans. congress reauthorized this law with overwhelming bipartisan support and we must work together to make sure no americans are discriminated against when exercising their fundamental right to vote."
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this is a whole new legal strategy, though. its future is uncertain. michelle, i mean, we have the hearings in the senate this week. doesn't seem like a coincidence. the democrat-controlled senate is going to have hearings this week. a response to the supreme court ruling will republicans in the house be interested in tackling this in any way. do you think this is a topic that republicans in the house would have any interest in pursuing in the next two years? >> i would have to say looking at my crystal ball, no, absolutely not, under no circumstances whatsoever. for a variety of reasons. if you look at what happened with the voting rights act, it is absolutely, i think, unconscionable that the supreme court struck down section three as being unconstitutional, but we sort of saw it coming. early on during arguments on the voting rights act, we had justice scalia basically saying from the bench that the voting rights act is akin to a racial entitlement and saying that, you know, basically, the role of the
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judge in protecting minorities that those days are behind us and that child molesters, for example, are minorities that don't deserve protection or the united states constitution. if we have that coming from the bench and house republicans that can't pass a farm bill and they can't pass any kind of legislation whatever so and have made it very clear that they're more focused on white, working class voters than anybody else, we don't have any reason to believe they'll take up the voting right tax. >> the idea of evoking section three. this is the bail-in provision and basically allows the courts to say, congress doesn't have any criteria here but this jurisdiction, the key here is diskrminatory intent. in texas some very particular reasons for their 2011 map. they may be able to prove that. but proving intent versus proving effect, which was the standard under, has been the standard, it's a lot different
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here. doesn't seem like any long-term strategy in section three. >> in the texas case there happens to be a chain of e-mails which thinks they can take it to court and show intentional. you need a chain of e-mails and have a video and some blunt statements. what's tricky about it, steve, you have a long history. it's actually okay to discriminate based on partisan affiliation and voting behavior. change it from saying, we want to get rid of all these hispanics and get them out of district x and say we want to get all of these left-leaning democratic voters out of district x and then one would be intentional and discriminatory and one is perfectly fine. >> the partisan divide is fractured on racial and ethnic lines. >> this brings us back to what we were talking about in the other segments. short-term strategy. lock in the white voters and, oh, well, whatever comes later. they're just making those partisan divides like deeper and deeper and deeper, which i can't
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think will benefit the gop long term. >> long term, it won't. we are already at the point where the nation is just about majority, minority. i can't, i just can't say strongly enough what a huge problem this is. it's -- i am hopeful, you know, that there are people who are still ignorant enough to make statements like the e-mail chain we're seeing in texas. people forget, a whole bailout section in the voting rights act if you were a "state" on the bad list or covered list, you could geto the department of justice and say, we want to be bailed out because we have not had any discriminatory election practices in the last ten years. the county shelby county, alabama, that brought the lawsuit that led to the striking down didn't apply for bailout because in the last ten years they were so upset at how an election might take place in their county that they just refused to hold two elections. >> to give you an idea of what that smoking gun looks like. the texas maps that were
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invalidated because of the preclearance environment, that is triggering this whole case right now. the district boundaries were redrawn in one case the school belonged to the school children. so, they're able to prove some intent there, but that's what you have to be able to prove. i want to thank errol. the jury resumes deliberations in the george zimmerman case just three minutes from now. that's next. relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪
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followed him around the neighborhood and started a fight with him. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through no fault of his own. he is dead because another man made assumptions. >> then yesterday defense attorney mark o'mara said they would have to determine that he acted in self-defense. martin posed a physical threat to zimmerman holding up a photo of a shirtless, physically fit martin that caused martin's mother to walk out of the courtroom. >> of that picture that we have of him on the medical examiner's table, yeah. but here's him three months before that night. >> the jury's options are to convict the 29-year-old zimmerman of second degree murder or a lesser degree of manslaughter or acquit him.
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go live now to the courthouse in sanford, florida, where craig melvin is standing by. so, the jury is back deliberating right now. do we have any sense in how this day is going to go. will we get a verdict? >> jury just back moments ago, as you mentioned, steve. the short answer to your question is no. however, i can tell you, i spoke to benjamin crump, attorney for the martin family last night and he said to me that he did not think that this jury would take a considerable amount of time to reach a verdict, whatever that verdict might be. 3 1/2 hours yesterday, that's how much time they spent deliberatingi deliberating. at one point they asked a question of the judge. they could essentially get a copy of the evidence list. the clerk provided that and took that back. spent one hour poring over that and left and came back this morning at 9:00. if what we saw during the course of the trial of how they will perform in deliberations, we
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expect that this should not take a long time. you'll recall that every time judge nelson asked that jury of six women whether they wanted to take a break or whether it was a bathroom break or a lunch break, when she gave them the option, they always opted to plow forward. we'll see just how long it will take them but the judge is is also leaving it up to them to decide how long they deliberate each night and whether to continue deliberating this weekend. they could decide, tonight we'll take sunday off and come back monday. they're living all of that up to the jury. >> the jury of six. i know we probably instinctively think of juries as 12. it's six, six women. can you tell us, craig, do we know anything about what these six women are and what their backgrounds are and what do we know about who is deciding this? >> we know a little bit based on the information they provided to the court during the jury selection. one of the woman, a recent
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transplant from chicago, she has eight children. at one point during the jury selection process they asked her whether she belonged to any organizations. she replied to the court, yeah, i belong to the organization that is my house and that elicited quite a bit of laughter from the courtroom. so, we know about her. we also know, we know a little bit about their behavior throughout the course of the trial. for instance, one of the women is apparently quite the notetaker. eyes and ears inside the court that she has been taking perhaps the largest number of notes, excuse me, e6. so, we know that two of them are unemployed, as well. we know that five of them have children. so, little bit. little bit. but, again, we don't know a great deal about them was, obviously, that's how the process is designed. one thing, steve, that i want to bring up really quickly here. compromise verdict. that's a term that i heard for
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the first time with regards to this trial a few days ago from mark o'mara in a news conference. he was urging, urging the jury not to reach a compromise verdict. last night when i was talking to ben crump, attorney for the martin family, he also used that phrase compromise verdict and in this case, in this case, both attorneys seem to think, both sides at least seem to think that a compromise verdict would be a guilty charge on manslaughter. >> all right, msnbc craig melvin live at seminole county courthouse. thanks for the report, craig. right now i want to bring in ana marie cox and blake zeff and michelle bernard. we'll all be on stand by today. i think we might get like a one-hour notice on this verdict. but it was interesting what craig just said there, ana marie, seems like expectations for what -- this is all
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theoretical, but expectations have been dialed back here in not many people talking about going to get zimmerman on second degree murder but a lot of people saying this middle ground position of manslaughter might be the middle place this ends up. >> something went wrong. something that needs to happen that the blame needs to be held at accountable. but it's true that the case for murder was maybe not the strongest case that could be made. the fact that it's women and they have a lot of children. that's a factor. the fact that they're going to come back probably a little quickly does not bode well in terms of just getting an innocent verdict. >> i wonder what you make of, you know, not just, i want you to speculate, but this has been a year and a half now since the tragic death of trayvon martin. what do you think of, are there broader implications to what we were living through for the last year and a half and watching with this trial? >> many of us have, we're scared about what the verdict might be
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because of the verdict comes back not guilty, i think that will promote a lot of ill will. hopefully not. but we even think some violence because people will be so upset that he wasn't held accountable for what he did. and from my view, if he would have just listened to the 911 person and not gotten out of the car, we wouldn't be here now and, of course, i have a question about why are you even carrying a gun for a neighborhood watch position. >> i want to play for a second, this was one of the, the prosecution got a rebuttal after the defense finished. the prosecution got a chance for a rebuttal and this was john guy for the prosecution rebuttal. striking the way he made his final case to the jury. just play it for a second. >> if the roles were reversed and it was 28-year-old george zimmerman walking home in the rain with a hoodie on to protect himself from the rain, walking
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through that neighborhood and a 17-year-old driving around in a car called the police who had had hate in their heart, hate entheein their mouth, hate in their action as. and if it was trayvon martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman, what would your verdict be? that's how you know it's not about race. >> race has been, the way this trial has been all about race and in a way it's not about race at all. interesting to watch how, you know, how guy was sort of managing that in the discussion. >> absolutely coming from the jung he can't use the word race and can't use racial profiling they could only say profiling but i can tell you, i say this as an african-american and
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mother of two children, one of whom is a boy. black parents, particularly black mothers will tell you all over the country that there is no doubt about this, that this is race. when you have a son and your son is african-american, you from day one are always on guard that something like this could happen to your child. when you ask about broader policy implications. one thing i think we'll have a national discussion about gun violence in america and gun violence as civil rights issue. there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever from a layman's perspective that george zimmerman saw trayvon martin, saw a young, black man or child, i should say, in a hoodie and decided, i'm going it get him. he is a threat to my community. he doesn't belong here. we've got a very serious problem with race in the country and i think what will be very fascinating if we look at this is it is a female judge, a female jury and i think the key testimony that we saw in this
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trial all came from women. i actually wrote a piece about this for "washington post" yesterday. the key testimony all came from women. some of the women are black, some are white, some are hispanic, one person has a graduate degree, has a law degree, we have somebody else who is a 19-year-old african-american high school student and the reason i point out the importance of their femaleness quote/unquote is because each of them knows what it is like one way or the other be profiled on race, ethnicity, gender, age and i think when the prosecutor was saying use your common sense. common sense will tell them that when the 911 operator said to george zimmerman, are you following him? we don't need you to do this. that there was a problem. when the defense attorneys talk about this image of trayvon martin on top of george zimmerman and fighting him and allegedly bashing his head into concrete. the way i view that as a mother
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was if my son was under attack and knew there was a possibility that he only had four minutes to live, i would hope that he would be on top of him defending himself. trayvon martin could have been easily defending himself in this case. i think that's what we're going to see a broader discussion about. this is a civil rights issue. it's enormously important. >> i totally agree. i'm very happy to beat up on cable news, but a little bit of criticism and controversy on twitter and else where why are the cable networks doing wall-to-wall coverage of this trial. there's a good reason. this is not the same thing as the casey anthony a trial. this is about equal justice under the law. everything michelle just said. there is one set of rules for everybody. not for different people depending on the color of your skin or anything else. this was an important trial to cover for that reason. >> my son would applaud if he was watching. he's 29 years old, african-american man and he feels exactly like you feel. >> we will bring you further developments in the trial as a
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as of tuesday, it is now legal to carry a concealed weapon in public in every state in the country. that is thanks to illinois becoming the final state in the nation to pass a conceal carry law. federal district court had found the ban on concealed weapons to be unconstitutional and private property and places of work and worship unless property owners post signage that indicates otherwise. in an attempt to veto the legislation, pat quinn suggested changes to individuals carrying one gun at a time and prohibit guns in restaurants that serve alcohol. overwritten by the
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democratically controlled legislatu legislature. >> it is very, very important that we protect the people. i think the legislation today does not do that. it has shortcomings that will lead to tragedies. >> chicago witnessed more than 70 shootings, at least 12 of them fatal just over the july 4th holiday weekend alone. meanwhile, the political battle over congress effort the national rifle association is sending a mailier to 200,000 wv virginiaens that would have expanded background checks on gun sales. new york mayor michael bloomberg who is bank rolling a push for tougher gun laws is hosting a fund-raiser for him later this month. manchin receiving campaign costs from the billionaire. gun control advocate robin kelly defeat her opponents for an illinois congressional seat making congresswoman kelly for
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advocates saying they can turn gun control into a winning campaign issue. congressman, you're here. wanted to have you on for a while, a lot, but really for this subject. your story, as we say, this is the story the political world's treatment of guns for the last two decades has been any affirmative push for gun control is politically risky. you could only pay a price for it, if you do it. and in your case, you ran against a former member of congress for the special election in illinois, i think back in february who had a very, she had a very good rating from the nra and, actually, i want to play. this is michael bloomberg and his group that bank rolled a campaign that ran ads like this in congressman kelly's district. >> in the race to replace jackson halverson got an a against banning assault weapons and banning ammunition clips. she co-sponse frd a bill that
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would allow some criminals to carry guns across state lines. when it comes to promoting gun violence, she gets an f. >> so, you won that race by a lopsided margin. i'm sure lots of reasons for it. but $2.5 million blanketing the air waves is a big factor. i wonder, you're in washington now, you're in congress now. did that experience of how you got there, did that send a message that resonated with any of your colleagues in washington? >> i think it relaxed people and let them see, yes, you can win a race when being for gun safety and gun control. i mean, beside the mayor, before he got involved in the race, he received all the attention, but the net roots community supported me, also. they supported me earlier and that was from sea to shining sea that they supported me and they donated to the race and they helped put me on the map also. and, again, just to be clear, he didn't give me any money.
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>> superpac, no coordination. but your record on guns was clear and your opponent's record on guns was clear. and in this case, the candidate who had the strong record on, you know, sort of the nra side paid a real political price for it. when you look, though, the three or four months after sandy hook when you were elected and now i think we passed the six month mark a while back. how frustrating to you that you got elected and sent this message and we are where we are in the middle of summer of 2013. >> very frustrating that we can't get a background gun check law passed even the majority of nra members want this past. i don't understand it myself. i was shocked when i was there that it did not pass. and we just have to keep push g pushing, you know, to bring the bill back and to work hard to get it passed. i promised the moms. either speak with them or text them or e-mail them somebody
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from the movement every day and i promise them that i'm going to be a voice and there are other people that feel like me, also. >> and i would say bloomberg and what bloomberg doing financially, the people he is affiliated with, the great hope of how to turn the politics of gun control around. this is, we need more races like this. >> this particular member of congress is a great example of how this can work, but what michael bloomberg is doing with other races is not very similar. let me explain. in this instance we had an nra a plus congresswoman debbie halvorson bad on gun control and a much better option here. when you go into states like arkansas and go after a senator who is maybe a c minus from the nra perspentive and you don't have a better option that you are pushing, prior. you don't have a better option that you are pushing, you run the risk of going from the c minus nra person to an a plus nra person and that's not productive. when you go after the candidates who are bad on gun control, you
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also have to get involved with candidates and grassroots and having a better alternative. this was a great alternative and i'm glad that you won and not just mayor bloomberg that put you over the top. i will say it, a lot of factors there. but that is the kind of model that can be used in other states where it doesn't help to just go after the bad guys. you also have to have good people to replace them with. >> you're taking, as we talked about this in the show before. the strategic question. if you have a democrat with a bad record, do you go after that democrat against a republican who maybe would ultimately have a worst record. do you think there is value in that politically? >> one of the problems now, at least in the house, i was the 201st democrat and 234 republicans and we need the numbers to take back the house. and if we don't do that, then we're going to continue with this nonaction in a lot of ways. so, that's the other thing you
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have to weigh also. even though i definitely want to see things change as far as gun safety and gun laws. but as long as we're in the majority, i don't think it's going to happen because the moderate republicans don't, you know, it feels like there is democrats, republicans and tea party folks and the tea party folks seem to have a lot of control over the moderate republicans or regular republicans. >> but your race was a primary. i'm saying, we could challenge a primary in a democratic primary be a better democratic candidate to then go up against. >> in 2014 when he's running against a republican and go and have an a plus. we want to talk about that. talk about the illinois situation after this. there's no. really? yep! so is your husband off the hook? no. he went out for milk last week and came back with a puppy. hold it. hold it. hold it. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness.
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so, the nra is, again, going after joe manchin, the democrat from west virginia who is the manchin/toomey background checks. what is interesting, they go after manchin very hard and also
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mention in the course of this letter, obama, michael bloomberg, chuck schumer. sort of national figures affiliated with gun control. interesting, this is the manchin/toomey bill and toomey's not mentioned in it. the nra has really gone after manchin and his republican partners have gotten a pass on this. >> completely screams at you what happened. it is a joint bill and why they have decided not to go after pat toomey a other than the fablth that he's a republican. members of the public are absolutely going to see this and the thing that is interesting is that manchin is a gun owner. he uses gun. >> also have the ad in 2012 where he shot the climate bill. >> he, he is for responsible gun ownership. this is the person who has always had, i think an a or a plus rating from the nra. so, for him to all of a sudden decide we don't like you, but to
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get pat toomey who drafted this bill with you is sort of okay. it's so sarcastic and cynical that i think people will begin to really see the nra for what they stand for, particularly if we think about not just newtown, but one thing that you were mentioning off camera is the history of gun violence in urban neighborhoods. i, for example, would be sitting back and saying to myself, what else is it going to take? why is it innra just don't care. we see story after story whether it's white african-american children and adults being slaughtered on a daily basis and they have nothing better to do but go after joe manchin and leave toomey out of their assault. >> the other thing we said up front is illinois this week, complicated situation, but it was also as a revelation. i did not realize that concealed carry, actually, it is legal in different ways in different states, but now legal in all 50
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states. i come from massachusetts and i say i never thought of us as much of a gun state, but there is a conceal carry program in massachusetts and this is now nationwide i'm reading. conceal carry is the law in some way. >> despite the fact that you deserve a direct effect. if you put more guns into a system, you will get more violence. this is not a surprise to anyone. create conceal laws lead to more gun deaths, not necessarily gun violence. sometimes more than half of the deaths by gun are by suicide, which is something that doesn't get talked about in this debate. a lot of unintended consequences that flow from putting more guns into the system. one of them relates back to the zimmerman trial. if you let more people carry guns, you force the police into an arm as race. and they carry more guns and they become militarized and that altitude towards police keeping, towards peacekeeping starts to trickle down and you get people like george zimmerman thinking that they're the law and that they have a right to shoot
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people who they suspect of being criminals. >> don't forget that it's god's plan. >> god's plan and a good guy with a gun. sometimes we let the idea of good guys with guns, especially law enforcements agents, we let that get a pass in this debate, but there is a consequence towards highly arm aed, highly militarized police force. giving more guns to police is not a neutral act. you're not just like decreasing crime if you give guns to police. >> the other thing about state laws and the member of congress can speak more knowledgeably on this. i talked to a lot of these gun control people and all the gun nuts say, hey, chicago has tight gun control laws and high murder rates and it's not about local laws but state laws and international laws. because it's like air pollution. if you have tight requirements on the local level and not on the state and you will have the smog coming in. and guns can come through in the same way. so, if you have these very good gun laws on the local level, only helps you so much if you
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have these bad state laws and federal laws. >> you hit the nail right on the head. we can approve guns from indiana and kentucky and a police officer was shot and they traced the gun back to mississippi. if i am correct, one gunship that can trace a lot of guns back to right in illinois, but the gun trafficking and the store purchasing of guns has to be stopped. that's a big part of the problem. >> i'm just curious what you make, so, in illinois, they're basically told by the court you can't have a ban on concealed weapons, you have to allow it in some way and dispute between the governor about exactly what the restrictions will be. in new york, you have to go through the police to get a permit and more lax in illinois. what do you make of what ultimately came out of this? >> i think that once the supreme court made their decision, people realized they had had to be something passed and some tried to make it as weak as possible. if i'm correct, maryland has a weaker conceal and carry and i
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think some people were shooting for that. but, i am surprised that some of the governor's ideas didn't pass because i'm told restaurant owners don't want people coming in with guns or if you're an employer, you don't want your employees coming in with guns and it is a lot about access to guns, also. if you own a gun, you're more likely to commit suicide. >> it wasn't just restaurants. restaurants where alcohol is 50% more. so it is alcohol, plus public setting and a gun. it seems like a risky combination. what do you get for embarrassing the speaker of the house? maybe everything you want. we'll talk about it after this. ♪
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from both parties. the version they voted on three weeks ago proposed a massive 20 billion but republicans piled on more in that bill which turned a large swath of democrats against it at the last minute. those democratic no-votes coupled with those of 62 conservatives who defied speaker john boehner and also voted no on the grounds that the bill was still too expensive sank that first version of the farm bill last month. in response, boehner and the gop leadership pushed the legislation even further to the right using a party line vote on thursday to pass a bill that does not include food stamps at all. it is the first time in 40 years that the program has been stripped out of a farm bill. democrats took to the house floor in protest. >> this is a sad day in the house of representatives. i want you to know that this is the people's house and to separate the farm bill from the elderly, from the children, this
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is a shame! mitt romney was right, you all do not care about the 47%. shame on you! >> so, we have someone who was there, we have a member of congress here. i guess the status of this right now is the senate has passed a comprehensive farm bill that includes food stamps and they have something from the house so there can be a conference between them here. the hope of food stamp supporters is that the conference and in this conference between the house and the senate, the program is reinserted and then somehow able to pass the house. i just look at that whole trajectory we mapped out in the house, i don't see how anything with food stamps in a meaningful way getting through the house right now. do you have any hopes that food stamps can be passed as part of a food bill this year? >> i have hope that people will do the right thing. i was on the floor in part of the protests and delay led by the head of the congressional black caucus and other joined in as the day went on. that was very disappointing what happened and almost came, you
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know, in a secret way to me that they were even thinking about doing it. i'm hoping once it goes, you know, meets with the senate bill that we can dosomething about it. the president said he was going to veto it if it came to him. that's the thing, sometimes it seems like a lot of theatrics, which doesn't surprise you guys. i'm sure the president already says i'm going to be told the bill and we're still fighting and we got to the floor at a 8:50 that morning and many planes were missed and people determined to stay there and we lost by ten votes. >> what happens, blake, if this goes the way of the sequester and this impasse and it's not revolved. >> the background here is really important. the senate passed a bill that included the food stamp program, but had a $4 billion cut, which is pretty bad. but, you know, the way the senate works, they have compromise bills and then goes to the house. the house then had a bill that they voted down, which would have cut it by $20 billion.
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that's, you know, advocates told me that's enough to stop food charity in this country for 2.5 years, 8 billion meals for poor people. basically people would die if that's what passed. that wasn't jurconian enough for this house. a lot of republicans voted it down because it wasn't bad enough. had they voted for it and been okay with just killing some poor people as opposed to lots more then it would have gone to conference and $4 billion cut from the house, yeah, from the senate rather and the $20 billion cut from the house and might have arrived to a middle number like $12 million in cuts in food stamps. they overreached. as a result, they have all this chaos and they may end up overreaching and it could be good news for people who care about the food stamp program. if they do reach this impasase and we get to a point where they fail to pass the food stamp program, we would revert back to last year's rates, which is zero cuts, which is probably the
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best-case scenario. >> but isn't the twist then it's subject to annual appropriations. as long as you have a republican-controlled house, it is a starve the beast thing. >> they have to fund it. >> we are afraid of that. it would be subject to appropriations and what we think as the years go on it will be less and less and less and less and there won't be anything. and, also, many, many children, thousands will be knocked off the lunch program at school. >> actually working poor that would suffer the most in this. like the very poorest might continue to get benefits. but most of the people on food stamps do work. it's a bridge program for most people. it's something that allows people who are working, but not making enough money to spend their money in the economy. this is stimulus for the economy. there's something like $2 go to gdp for every dollar spent in food stamps and acatually one of the most efficient programs in government. they have something like 3% administrative costs and 1% of fraud that could be found compared to like military.
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if you look at the waste and the fraud in the military contracting, billions of dollars going to that. this is a program that should be a, it's a model of efficiency. something republicans should applaud. >> part of the story of food stamps in the farm bill, too, has been you put up with a lot more waste on the sort of farm subsidy side in exchange for getting a robust food stamp program. >> it works on so many different levels so we hear constantly from members of congress who are sort of battening down the hatches. you know, we've got a childhood obesity problem in this country that greatly impacts people of all socioeconomic levels and we have a problem with food deserts all over the country. if you are the poorest of the poor or a member of what we call the working poor, the food stamp program helps address those issues and it's the only way that it's going to get addressed any time in the near future. >> and the overreach is probably
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gyroscope. dana millbank wrote left the administration for k street jobs without anyone so much as pointing out that they were defying a central tenant of the obama political enterprise. if there is a central idea to this book, it is that obama changed as somebody who is going to change washington and instead washington changed him. we've seen the story before and seen it in state capitals all the time. i can't tell you how many governors i've seen going to change albany, sacramento. i'm trying to build it up. >> this may be a new story and you can apply it to obama but you look at novels about washington, i happen to have written one, this is actually a theme in all of them. the people that go there with ideals, sometimes not with ideals and the coziness of washington culture. again, you look back at mark
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twain and those books you see the same thing. it's what people do. there is a social scene. when you put more than two people in a room, you have some kind of interaction and you'll have some clicks for them. you know, i haven't read the book yet. i read the excerpt that was in "new york times" magazine. mark is a friend of mine. mark is friends with everyone. >> so, ben smith from buzzfeed wrote this review of it and the headline was, i think he will eat lunch in this town. this book indictment of washington and ben smith's point was basically, well, no, mark didn't do anything that is going to really harm his permanent place in d.c. >> i can't help but wonder while i was looking at this book and the excerpts. if you are someone from outside washington like the late michael hastings who would come in and could you imagine what he could have done with this type of thing. but alex per even and his review
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made the point, but he made the point in his review, that, yes, that would be better. but someone who isn't friends with everyone in that scene might not have been able to get the juicy tidbits. >> that's the problem in washington. get the kind of access you need to get anything valuable, you just need to be friends first and almost limits what you're able to report. >> something that i, you're absolutely right. what i wanted to add to that as someone as a lawyer who worked in a major powerhouse law and lobbying furl in washington, d.c., people always say that this is a problem and i don't look at it that way. i mean, maybe for some people who are corrupt, it is a problem. but if you are somebody who needs to hire a lawyer, if you need someone who has to understand how washington works, you have clients that will be very happy to hire a former member of congress, for example, who understands the budget process to deal with their legal problems. there's nothing wrong with that. that is your work experience. >> i'm remembering, i believe
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what do we know now that we didn't know last week? thanks to a newly uncoffered piece of film, we now know what it looked like to see franklin roosevelt being pushed in a wheelchair. reporters never documented roosevelt in a wheelchair. but the newly found clip from 1944 shows roosevelt exiting the "uss baltimore" in what appears to be a wheelchair. you see him there in that unmistakable white hat and his wheelchair being concealed by sailors on the deck. a very intimate view of one of america's most beloved figures. we now know that florida
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governor rick scott may have accident lit outlawed computers. because of a bill he signed to outlaw slot machines and internet cafes in an effort to curb illegal gambling, also included such vague language, it drew a legal challenge, claiming that the bill could ban all computers and smartphones, because it bans any network of devices that can be used in a game of chance. using any device with an internet connection is technically illegal, the lawsuit claims. we know that the law forced more than 1,000 internet cafes to close, which prompted the lawsuit. we now know that sarah palin might run for the u.s. senate in alaska, and things have already gotten pretty heated with senator mark begich. the day after palin said she was considering running, begich said, i don't know if she's a resident. she's been away from alaska also and probably lost touch with what's going on. the next day, palin hit back saying, mark, after looking at your voting record, i can see why you're looking for a distraction.
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begich then tweeted, i would be happy to compare my record with sarah palin usa, but it doesn't seem fair since she never finished the job. we now know that "fox & friends" co-host brian killny made a 2-year-old basketball sensation cry. on thursday's show, little titus made a few shots and when killny passed the ball back to him, the ball hit titus in the face. >> you're a machine, you're a machine. how do you stop. whoops, i'm sorry! >> that's how you stop him. >> i'm sorry. oh, my god. sorry, sorry, dad. >> there but for the grace of god. later that day, fox news host chris wallace called into his radio show to ask him, quote, how do you get up in the morning and look at yourself in the mirror. i want to find out what my guests know now that they didn't know when the week began. let's start with ana marie. >> i have a postscript to your palin news, which is the head of
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the republican party in alaska says he's never even met sarah palin. if he runs, it might not be as a republican. who knows. but i was just going to say something about reproductive rights, in a lot of states, texas, north carolina, ohio, are passing some very restrictive and invasive laws about women's rights and a lot of them have to do with informed consent, ultrasounds and what not. a fairly new statistic in that area that 60% of the women seeking abortions have one or more children. they know what's going on in their bodies. and i think that statistic is going to come into play as this debate turns into a national one. >> congresswoman? >> something that put a smile on my face. i met the 1963 loyola basketball team. it's the only team in illinois to win the ncaa title and there's a civil right piece to it. the first time there were four black starting players. they came to visit us last week and they were going on to see the president at the white house and they were pretty cool guys. >> the loyola ramblers.
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>> so janet napolitano stepped down -- or announced that she will be stepping down as the head of homeland security this week and there's been mention of ray kelly as a possible successor. that could and should spark a nationwide discussion about stop and frisk, the program that the nypd has used to target mostly black and latino young men, if he is nominated for that position, i hope that we have that conversation. >> and it's interesting that chuck schumer has been forcefully putting kelly's name out there. michelle? >> so we mentioned that the senate judiciary committee is going to be holding a hearing on wednesday at 2:00 p.m. to talk about the voting rights act and what comes next. and one of the things i think the public should know is when we talk about voting rights and voter suppression, this is just not an issue that affects people in the south. it is a nationwide issue. it's not just gerrymandering, when you talk about -- when people have to stand seven hours in line to vote, it's something that's akin to the poll tax, because the least among us cannot afford to stand in line all day long to vote. it's a very important issue. i personally would argue that the entire nation, all 50 states, need to be covered, and
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i hope people will watch the hearing, will get in contact with their members of congress and say that voting rights are absolutely essential. >> yeah, those pictures of the lines, you know, in the days and weeks leading up to 2012, were just horrible to watch, and you hear the experiences and the idea of that being the permanent condition in american voting, it's awful. my thanks to ana marie cox of "the guardian," blake zeff of salon.com, and political strategist michelle bernard. thank you for getting up and thank you for joining us today for "up." join us tomorrow, sunday morning at 8:00, when i'll have former governors doug wilder and jane swift along with former congressman tom perriello, talking about the texas abortion vote and more. coming up next is melissa harris-perry. as we await a verdict in the trial of george zimmerman, there are those stoking the flames of fare and already talking race riot. what is a race riot, anyway? melissa has the answer. it's "melissa harris-perry," she's coming up next, and we'll have continuing developments out of the zimmerman the trial as
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this morning, my question. what is your best campaign slogan for eliot spitzer? keep it clean. plus, most makes a very kind of viral video. and the hottest director in hollywood joins us live. but first, batten down the hatches, there's a verdict coming. and we all know what that must mean. race riots is! up to 24 days at trial, 12 days of testimony, and 56 total witnesses, the trial that has

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